
The PS3's future is in question
Format Wars
I can see exactly what Sony is shooting for with Blu-Ray. Sony has claimed that the PS2 was instrumental to the success of the DVD format, with some degree of truth. The PS2's release was perfectly positioned during a period when more and more movies were seeing DVD releases but stand-alone DVD players were still $100-$200. The PS2, at $300, offered DVD player capabilities and the additional perk of gaming, clearly a great value. Being able to play DVDs obviously drove up PS2 sales.
But Blu-Ray isn't the DVD format. There are very few movies currently out in Blu-Ray formats, and Blu-Ray does not offer a user experience that is vastly different from DVD in the way that DVD introduced commentary, separate language tracks, and various other advanced features that VHS lacked. Further, there are currently no stand-alone Blu-Ray players available for less than $900. Even then, only some of the exorbitantly priced players offer proper support for full 1080p at this point, and the initial wave of players only supported MPEG2 compression. Implementation of the Blu-Ray standard has been inconsistent, and where DVD was the clear successor to the VHS format, Blu-Ray is in competition with another format, HD-DVD, which has already received the backing of Microsoft, Universal Studios, and other prominent movie studios. Whether or not Blu-Ray will take off the way DVD did is very much up in the air. It doesn't help that a cheaper alternative is already widely available. The demand for Blu-Ray that Sony imagines will position the PS3 as a great value to home entertainment enthusiasts does not exist.
Unfortunately for Sony, every single other facet of the PS3 has been compromised to maintain Blu-Ray support. The cost of the console itself is vastly increased by the implementation of this new technology. Likewise, actual console production has been drastically reduced due to manufacturing issues with the new technology. In a bid to save money, the PS3 architecture has been hamstrung, and the PS3 is left going into the new console generation with only 256MB of RAM. Where Sony has been trying to market the PS3 as a sort of cut-rate computing experience, including support for USB keyboards and mice, the system is clearly deficit. My PC from 2002 had more than 256MB of RAM.
Sony's Inferiority Complex
Besides Blu-Ray, the PS3 also possesses one other completely new technology. That is the Cell processor that Sony has claimed is on-par with a supercomputer. This technology proved decent for generating buzz early on, with articles claiming use of the processors by scientists for mass computing problems, but now you don't hear much about it. Why is that? Because CPUs don't sell consoles. The buying public doesn't actually care that much. The PS2 was the weakest of all the previous generation systems, and yet it was far and away the most successful.
Perhaps criticism of the PS2 has given Sony something of a complex, resulting in Kutaragi risking it all to compete in the hardware specs pissing match. Either way, the PS3 is now saddled with yet another piece of new technology for which the manufacturing process has not yet been perfected. The PS3 ends up being that much harder to produce and that much more expensive.

A Playstation 10th Year Anniversary ad that was pulled following protest by the Vatican
Advertising Woes?
Finally, you have Sony PR which has been one disaster after another. However, Sony PR has arguably always been a mixed bag. From the original Playstation on, Sony has pushed ads that are edgy, running the gamut from disturbing, to potentially racist, to outright confusing. The secret code in some print ads for the PS3 recalls to mind the original cryptic Playstation ads, which left to the reader the task of decoding messages such as "you are not ready."
The so-called racist ad
I remember feeling that the buzz surrounding the release of the original Playstation was palpable. This time around, Sony is doing roughly the same things it did before, advertising-wise. The feeling is much more negative this time around, but even negative buzz works in Sony's favor. However, it remains to be seen whether or not Sony, mired in manufacturing woes, will be able to actually provide the consoles to match the interest they have generated, which brings me to my final point.
Solid Alternatives
Parents and other consumers are going to go shopping this christmas, and they are going to go in wanting a PS3 and leave with an Xbox 360 or a Nintendo Wii. There are already claims that the PS3 is on-par with the 360 in terms of processing power, which I am very skeptical of. However, it is unarguable that Wii and the 360 are both much cheaper (no matter how you try to spin it) and much more widely available than the PS3. It is unclear when Sony will ever be able to get it's manufacturing act together, but the 360 has been out for a long time and faces no production shortages. Similarly, Wii production outstrips PS3 production by an entire order of magnitude.
Consumers simply will not have the option of getting the PS3 when it counts. With the Xbox 360 aimed at the same target audience as the PS3, and already being widely available and popular with developers, and the Wii attempting to create it's own complementary market, Sony's prospects for success appear grim. Perhaps it will be sustained through this period by the Japanese market, which has relatively little interest in the 360 and thus represents an entire hard-core gamer segment that is ripe for the taking, but the decline of the videogame market in Japan has been ongoing for years. Cheaper, more accessible, and innovative experiences, such as that offered by the Nintendo DS, have been dramatically more successful than traditional hardware upgrade iterations such as the PSP. Sony's future remains very much in question.
Agreed, 100%. The sad thing is, that if this makes the front page on Digg.
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Your blog will go down. :(
My mistake, I hadn't realized that there were Blu-Ray players available. At any rate, $900 at the very cheapest is not mass-market pricing. My point was that PS2 both relied upon and fueled the success of the DVD format. At this point, the demand for Blu-Ray is not at a comparable level.
ReplyDeleteMy remarks about memory were made in complete knowledge of the separate video and system memory, and of the fact that consoles generally tend to be efficient architectures with small RAM loadouts. However, the PS3 is being marketed as a computer in Japan and abroad. If it is marketed as a computer, it will be compared to computers.
Finally, if you paid attention, I compared the PS2 to the XBox and Gamecube favorably. That means, I said the PS2 was good.
-jj stratton
ReplyDeleteFact is, all those textures are not 256, or 512 MB, or even 1 - 2GB of memory. In fact, they tend to be at least about 3-4 Gigs of memory in today's games. RAM is useful, because it is the fastest way to access that data. However, Blu-Ray technology offers very fast access, and by buffering data on the hard disk, there will be no need to load all the 256MB at once. There are non-complex ways to get around that problem.
1. Every console maker sells their console at a loss at the start because the cost ofmanufacturing at launch is 2-3 times greater than it costs to manufacture in 2 years. Sony is a HUGE company, they can afford losses if they think they will
ReplyDeletemake money later. I wouldnt call their loss per console "huge" even at the
launch. That's your opinion.
2. I dont think that PS2 had anything to do with DVD growth. I think the DVD
was a necessary increase in game data for PS2 developers, with the added bonus of also being able to play DVD. I think a PS2 was $400 at launch...
3.Blu-ray hasnt impressed anybody with the movie quality, looks better than a
DVD but its not a huge step. It is a huge step in game data storage, remember
that you want to buy games that are playable for a long time, having 10 times
more room on the media helps that.
It is possible to watch a blu-ray movie at
1080p right now.
4. "every single other facet of the PS3 has been compromised to maintain Blu-Ray
support" not true. the graphics chip is still a 7900 (was originally a 7800) which was until
yesterday with the nvidia8800 the fastest thing around. it still has wireless
controllers and wi-fi and talks to your psp. none of that has been comprismed.
the clock speed has been turned down and you cant really use all 9 cores, but,
dude, it still has at least 6 cores, which is 4 more than the most advanced
desktop chip now. "CPU's dont sell consoles" Right. games do. You dont really understand how revolutionary the cell is. In 1994 I had a RISC4000 SGI on my desk that cost the university $20,000; In 1996 the ps1 had a Risc4000 in it for $400. Now, the fastest proc's around are 3.5G dual core, they cost hundreds of dollars a piece. The cell has 1 full core and 8 cores that arent really a full cpu but can still run processes at, I think, 2.8+Ghz (downgraded from the original spec of 3.2GHz). For $500. With a blu-ray player. In 1996 my rent as $700, so a playstation was more than half of my rent. Now my rent is twice that but a playstation3 is $100 ($500 for the low-end) more than the playstation1 was at launch, which is about 1/3 of my rent.
So the point is, you're getting something that is *truly* next gen, revolutionary for less than the ps1 adjusted for rising costs and rising salaries. $400 was a lot more money back then than it is now, for those of us with jobs (i was then and am still a video game artist working on playstation1,2,3 games)
5. yeah, they shoulda put more ram in it. but how much did that 256ram cost you in
2002? i remember buying 128m sticks in 2000-2001 and they were at least $120 a
piece.... in 1995 i paid $1000 for 32m i sh!t you not.....
6. Kutagari doesnt speak about tech specs. He speaks marketing talk and corporate politics talk. Yes, the ps3 has been tough to manufacture. But in 2 years they will know how to do it right and a ps3 will cost $200-250.
7. I dont understand their ads either and the black/white ad is offensive. But does that really make you want a PS3 less? most ads are stupid, annoying, and condescending. ps3 ads are no exception.
8. "Consumers simply will not have the option of getting the PS3 when it counts." yes they will. things will count over the next 2 years, not just this christmas season.
9. I think people will actually get into homebrew PS3 games. Most consumers wont be savy enough to make their own ps3 games on linux (ps3 linux will be free in january), but they will enjoy playing the homebrew games. i dont understand why sony is stepping on homebrew PSP stuff if they're going to suppossedly support homebrew ps3 stuff....
Linugz, you make some good points. One of the things I love the most about my PSP is the homebrew, and I definitely look forward to what will happen on the PS3 considering it will run Linux. It is also undeniable that Sony has a lot of weight to throw around in the Playstation 3's defence. However, the Blu-Ray's storage capacity is not vital, either for movies or for storage of game assets. If Resistance uses the entire disc, it's because they're leaving files totally uncompressed. Movies that are on Blu-Ray still use MPEG2 as well. This is just an old, inefficient form of compression. The Cell processor may have a lot of cores, but we're already seeing signs that, beyond two cores, unoptimized code sees no benefit anyway.
ReplyDeleteSo while those two technologies are new and full of potential, they are also unproven, and have resulted in the PS3 being ridiculously expensive and difficult to manufacture. And while Sony may have a few years to get it right, this very moment Sony is having difficulty delivering an installed base to developers. The result? You're already seeing devs pulling out of PS3 development for this season. NBA 07 is the most recent cancellation announced.
Sony may recover some ground eventually, but it will not be a success on par with the PS2.
1. having a 50BG disk will be vital for the next couple of cycles of games. i promise you, developers will find plenty of good stuff to fill those disks with, compression just slows stuff down and the blu-ray's arent super fast. so you're completely wrong there. blu-ray movies aint no big deal, however blu-ray players playback h.264 so you dont know what you're talking about there, either (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc)
ReplyDelete2. you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about with this statement: "but we're already seeing signs that, beyond two cores, unoptimized code sees no benefit anyway." there are no chips with more than 2 cores! (i think the xbox360 has 1 full cpu and 2 little cores,but im not sure) and nobody but (i think) unreal and id really exploit multicore desktops for games!!!!! there are motherboards that take 8way opterons, but that's not a game console. When game developers learn how to really use the cell it really will be revolutionary. only certain games (lots of independent objects, particles or AI characters(!)) will benefit from it, but it will change gaming. programming massively parallel games isnt easy, but you're so wrong saying that multi-core wont impact games.
3. i pointed out that it's not ridiciously expensive, especially for people with jobs. but you are welcome to your opinion.
4. as a developer i know first hand that the devkits were slow in coming and used to sound like jet engines, but we all have devkits and test ps3's now, i played Genji2 today.... there are plenty of devkits and have been for several months.
So you are also misinformed regarding this subject.... I heard EA cancelled NBA07 because they wanted to shift the team to another project.... there's already at least 2 other ps3 b-ball games... rumors...
examples of how multi-core cpu's will change gaming:
ReplyDelete1. imagine playing grandtheftauto with 8 times as many cars and pedestrians.
2. early ps3 games are still using plain-old skinned characters but next time we'll have pose-space characters because both deformation techniques have been shown to be parallelizable (not a real word but you know what i mean) ex: http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Work/PSD/Related/WPSDgpu.pdf
they parallel it on GPUs for a 20x increase in weighted pose-space-deformations, which are much more artist-controllable/better looking deformations than regular skinning.
3. other GPGPU/multicore (general purpose graphics processing unit) applications include computer vision which will be a huge step in interacting with games (gpgpu.org). only a few special games, like a computer vision version of DDR, would benefit from this, but think about how huge DDR is to some people...
4. eye candy - you should see the smoke in genji, being able to have 2-3 processors just drawing eye candy while 1 does your game logic and 1 handles input/network is *cool* you know you want real-time global illumination
5. if you're sony, it might make sense to require that 1 core is running the OS and copy protection all the time..... ????
Man, you really have to think over what you're writing....
ReplyDeleteHow can you say Blu-ray is not good for the console?
You say HDdvd is about to be more successful than Blu-Ray?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=blu-ray%2C+hd-dvd
And HD-dvd won't be explored in 360 as Blu-ray will be in PS3. Because HD-Dvd isn't a custom feature.
And please don't criticize the PS3 price. Have you seen the Xbox 360 add-ons price? Ir's just the way Micro$oft does it: "cheap" console + expensive "extras". Besides, the PS3 hardware is worth every cent of the price -I'd say more than every cent.
Ok, Wii is way cheaper. But it's way waker too. How many years can it last as a "top" console?
PS3 is rlly pushing the games towards the future. It'll be a super videogame + computer + media center altogether. The possibilities are endless. And you know that. The other consoles are just nice "toys".
We're talking about next gen games. So think big. In time you'll see you were dead wrong.
I totally doubt that the PS2 had any benefit to DVD's, no one that I can remember ever used it for DVD's (CD's once in a while) but they didnt wholly buy DVD just to use on the PS2.
ReplyDeleteAlthough the PS3 will be plagued by those problems that were addressed, I think it will do Sony well, as they have a good onslaught of games that consumers will truly dig, especially if they continue with their faithful series and RPG's.
drexster
ReplyDelete-$200 cdn HD-DVD add-on, you do realize that you don't have the add-on to play games, whereas you have to have Blu-Ray for the PS3.
-$100 cdn 60Gb HDD I don't how things work in Canada, but here in America a 60gb HDD hasn't even been invented for the 360. Maybe your thinking of 10GB HDD?
-$60 cdn HDMI cable please show the HDMI port on the 360.
andre ikeda
PS3 is rlly pushing the games towards the future.Right WW2 shooter 200 and Final Fantasy 44 really pushing games foward,if your idea of pushing things foward is using the same formula over and over again
Andre, I don't think it's reasonable to use Google Trends to backup an argument, but if you really want to, check this one out: link
ReplyDeleteIt's also well known that HD DVD has sold 33% more players up till now.
That being said, I don't care which one succeeds. I was only making the point that Blu-Ray is not a sure thing the way the DVD format was, and the effect that it had on the PS2s sales may not necessarily apply to the PS3.
Besides, it can definitely be said that the Blu-Ray is not vital for games. DVDs haven't suddenly become obsolete, and they are still more than enough storage space for the vast majority of games.
I'm not debating the respective power of the consoles, I definitely believe that the PS3 is the most powerful, and I even want one, but I don't plan to pay $600 for it and I don't think the majority of gamers will either, this generation.
I don't normally post on articles like this because I don't like to be wrong, but the amount of incorrect information is insulting. linuggz said... "I think a PS2 was $400 at launch...". That assumption is only $100 off and if we take 8% default inflation over six years makes it $150 off. The PS2 launched at 299.99 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2).
ReplyDeletelinuggz said "in 1996 my rent as $700, so a playstation was more than half of my rent. Now my rent is twice that but a playstation3 is $100 ($500 for the low-end) more than the playstation1 was at launch, which is about 1/3 of my rent." I am not exactly sure what was mint by that statement but what I got was that at launch the PS1 was more than $350. Which in actuality it was $299.00. Now assuming they pay $1400 now for rent, at 8% inflation it would now cost $562.12 for a PS1 which is only 63.12 more than the PS3 is set for.
Now yes considering that the PS1 was expensive but it was the first generation. The PS3 is not a first generation as the 360 has already been out for a year with HD technology.
Just to throw in there that the Xbox was 299.99 at launch, the same price as the PS2 but a year later. The Xbox 360 was only $499 at launch 4 years after the Xbox released.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
Then I want someone to find me a computer with 256MB of memory that can run high quality video with blu-ray or hd-dvd. You can't and you won't. You would be lucky to cleanly run a video just to watch it.
The multiple cores may help PS3 if they can use them, but how many cores do you need. It’s not easy to split the same data between two cores so the only real reason to need more cores is to run multiple memory intensive programs. With only 256mb of ram that will not be entirely possible. That is why even with a quad-core processor out Intel is still intensely marketing the dual-core.
Now I am a fan of all video game systems because I love to play video games, so I don't have a byass between the 360 and PS3. I did have a byass with the Xbox over the PS2 because with an Xbox you didn't need memory cards and could save a ton of game saves on the HDD. In fact my Xbox still says 50000+ free blocks and I have had it for 4 years now.
The Blue Ray is claimed to be of higher defination than HD-DVD along with nearly twice the capacity. That being true would make the HD-DVD obsolete.
ReplyDeleteMany games will be on the 360 and PS3, and they will sell for the same price. If the same game in on a Blue Ray, that would be the high quality version of the game at the same price. Sony can't loose with Blue Ray on the PS3 cause if anything it can remain exclusive to Sony Hardware for games.
PS3 is only $100 more than a 360, which is cheap for what you are getting. The 360's external HD-DVD player is $200 which drives the price higher than a PS3. When it comes to space and high defination, Microsoft can't even talk to Sony. Games seem to be the same price range too.
The 3.5 GHZ Cell Processor is claimed to be capable of submitting nearly 2 trillion calculations per second. One of the developers says they are lucky to even get 20% out of the chip.
The cell processor will be used in other gadgets, but for the time bring it is exclusive to the PS3
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...639&q=PS3+cell
Talk about meeting people online, or playing a role in a video game.
Also the Linux on the PS3 may bring interest to CG artists who want to see what kind of render power the PS3 has. It being a supercomputer it may be the tool of choice to make movie FX and video games, instead of PC.
On a personal note i admire all sysyems, But the PS3 is the most advanced and it's getting a bad rep so soon. I believe the PS3 will do things no one expected it to do and it will not fail.
Sony is leading the pack with wireless controllers??? F U MAN. Look up wavebird, then feel like an idiot afterwards. Stupid fanboy.
ReplyDeleteLOL you gotta laugh at all the sony fanboys who are so quick to try and jump to the ps3's defence only because they know they have just wasted so much money buying one. cracks me up!
ReplyDeleteIts so funny reading all the comments claiming the author didnt know what he was talking about. Now almost a year later we see he was dead on. The ps3 is doing abysmaly and is doomed to failure for all the reasons he listed.
ReplyDeleteI had a 360, and another when it broke, and another again. When that broke I bought a PS3. I was happy with the 360, but I am happier with free online (live cost me for three gold accounts), cheaper downloadable games (£3.50 for wipeout, Bargain!) and the ability to browse the net on my telly. I also like the upscaling on my existing dvd's, it looks nice, i'm pleased. I'm not liking the lack of games compared to what I had with the 360, but I reckon that will change in the coming year.
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Just facts, not fiction.
By the way people who mention all these 'extras' which they seem to imply that you MUST buy if you get a 360, isn't true. I only bought the wifi. I have a standalone blu ray player, and you know what, if things were opposite, and I was buying a PS3 with HD-DVD, and I wanted blu-ray, I would be FORCED to buy it. Stupid, eh? Also, I use component with my 360 at 1080p because my HDMI is being used-all 3! So all those 360 haters who lie to justify burning their money over a hot open PS3 fire can stop kidding themselves. Who cares if the ps3 is better than 360 or wii. 2x better? Meh. 10x better? Meh. Its all about games, which the PS3 is seriously lacking. At this stage in the 360's life it had at least 3 times more games. Facts, not fiction, above user!
ReplyDeleteBrian,
ReplyDeleteConsidering how time is the end all to end all of all things, your prophecy of the doomed Blu-Ray format and PS3 console was as flawed as the Heavens Gate cults Prophecy of the Hale Bop Comet and the space ship that followed...
Steven
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ReplyDeleteim postin this shit from my ps3 ure all a bunch of geeks man ure condeming the poor thing already u will all cower when it sprouts arms and legs and takes over the world killing all xbox fannyboys
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